They discriminate between students. We also have free shuttles from the school to other places in the town (running frequently, 7 days a week from 7 AM to 2 AM or later). You need to ask yourself: am I one of those 10 students? Is it hard to get into Saba medical school? Otherwise, you could listen to the lectures from home. Many Ivy League and non-Ivy League medical schools are like that. Saba Medical School is another of your options when you are considering Caribbean medical schools. Rules are going to be strict than you are used to. At the end of the day, its about affecting the world around us positively. Is the island life alot better then SABA and Ross? In summary, I tell them to be prepared to work HARD cos this isnt a walk in the park.. Im a 41 year old commercial pilot. Also keep in mind that these schools do let a surplus of students in, even students who dont quality. I was in Mexico 1976 at the most recognized of foreign medical schools, Universidad Autonoma Guadalajara. It is walking distance to the main grocery store and it is literally on the beach. Dominica is a very underdeveloped island so its important to know what you are getting yourself into. I do believe that a reasonably strong candidate should be able to get a DO spot as I know people who got in on the second and third application cycle. The instructors are from different counties and are sometimes at high levels in their fields. Hard to paint with a broad stroke here as so many factors are involved; however, the main point that I think we can all agree on is that these schools should not be deceptive with students. Even amongst my group of friends, I dont know a single person who has dropped out of SGU. Are you the type of person that can adapt easily and those things dont bother you? Do you mind telling me if your classes were huge like SGU or more manageable? Sabas curriculum emphasizes greater integration between case-based learning and clinical skills development. The Dean and Assistant Dean would play Cat and Mouse games with the students. DO schools have their own board exam, the COMLEX which is a substitute for the USMLE. Saba students earn top residencies at medical centers across the US and Canada. Saba University School of Medicine, Caribbean Netherlands Courses: Gross Anatomy & Embryology, Immunology & Microbiology, Genetics, Metabolism & Nutrition, Neuroscience & Neuroanatomy, Systems & Diseases. The bulk of the people that didnt make the cut either partied too much on the island or didnt have the maturity to power through rote memorization. I graduated from the University of Toledo with a BSc. If I talk about cons, this university never accept any kind of excuses in study, all your assessments are directly depending upon your lecture percentage and how you perform in your class, You have to do practicals regularly and like other universities, if you dont even attend practicals they give you good grades but In this university, you have to attend all practicals and study lectures. You were definitely paid for the above statement and doesnt look like you actually went to SGU like the rest of us. Dostoevsky-gutless crap doesnt give a real name because they have no spine. I wouldnt have an issue with the low gpa cut-off if prospective students were given the real numbers on how many students make it through each semester. AMCAS, AAMC etc. These factors are critical because if you are in an environment that you hate, it makes it very difficult to focus on studies and to maintain healthy mental health. Yet, they can effectively describe complex concepts such as cardiac pharmacology and explain to you and their parents about beta blockers etc. Sounds like SGU to me. The child-mortality rate in Cuba is lower than it is in the U.S., and life expectancy in both countries is about the same, even though per-capita health-care spending in the United States is the highest in the world. to get it back. The gross anatomy lab is a joke of an hour a week where students get into scrubs to walk into a lab and stand around the plastic organ displays that decorated your 7th grade biology classroom. The only time this happens is when the instructor committed a serious crime and got stripped of their license to practice medicine. I read this with great interest as a specialist trained in Quebec 35 years ago. While all the Campuses (Barbados, Jamaica and Trinidad) offer high quality Medical degrees, I highly recommend the beautiful Cave Hill Campus in Barbados. Besides that, the school has 20+ selectives that includes on campus selectives and international trips to shadow physicians in other countries, research opportunities on campus, as well as, research opportunities in other countries. This is your dream, take it seriously. I didnt see a response to your question. I worked at some of the largest medical schools in the country, MD and DO. Meanwhile, the cost of medical school has skyrocketed; the median student debt for the class of 2016 was a hundred and ninety thousand dollars. At the moment, I am considering matriculation to the American University of Antigua College of Medicine. Fuck the masters degree and do an assessment of your abilities and work your ass off to have the necessary abilities and basic knowledge to achieve whatever goal you want to pursue. Where to look for scholarship opportunities, How to apply to scholarships relevant to you, A list of available scholarships around the world, Are you planning to take an English language test? Student-to-faculty ratio for enhanced personalized attention, of eligible graduates attain residencies (2019-2021)See 2022 residency postingshere. They said that they would not take the risk of lowering their statistics by allowing me to sit for the exam. Are you a licensed physician? Additionally, SGU doesnt just keep professors on for no reason; if students dont perform well on standardized NBME exams or professors have way too many complaints, the school will get rid of them. Does anyone recommend to retake the MCAT and get into a medical school in the US instead of the Caribbean? Next they should assess how fast do they want to go. 4. These are the students who started something and are going to finish, even if it means living in a box. In general, the CULTURE of medicine and being a physician is ludicrous! I recently got MERPed at Ross University, but got in Saint James School of Medicine. Students at my school must teach themselves what they need to know. You will never see, touch, dissect, or watch a human dissection at AUA. Good Luck everyone. If you have emotional issues, are easily distracted, not used to adversity, get lonely easily, need extra support, etc.. As she put it, she would graduate with the equivalent of car payments, while her peers in the United States would be saddled with the equivalent of mortgages. These Caribbean programs are fast-paced so if you miss a class, you miss a lot and its hard to catch up. I experienced very similarly what David did. To finalize my comment, no, it is not the end of the world to attend a Caribbean school and I dont believe its fair to stereotype Caribbean schools. I think it is terrible though that they let a surplus of students in, many who really may not qualify, hence giving them false hopes and leaving them with a large debt. I am Registered Nurse and over thirty five and thinking about going for MD in the Caribbean medical school. 1. My son studys 15 yo 17 hour days. Saba University. PSA: you are MORE than capable of changing the world as an NP, PA, EMT, etc. With most medical students in the United States not even bothering to show up for class, waiting for the lecture videos and then watching them at 2x speed, it seems like a no-brainer that online learning will eventually become a standard model for medical schools in the west, but it will be a while because there are many snobs and purists that feel everything should be learned butt-in-seat inside an old lecture hall, no exceptions. Saba University School of Medicine was founded in 1992 as an international alternative to U.S. and Canadian medical schools. Equinox Capital, a private-equity firm based in Greenwich, Connecticut, bought the Saba school and MUA for $36 million in 2007. Even if you are a good student, there is no guarantee that you will graduate or match. It will either make you insecure or prideful. One student who graduated from the American University of the Caribbean graduated with $415,000 in debt. It is a sinking ship. I graduated from school in 2004. How hard is it to get into Saba medical school? Perhaps they have changed their attendance requirements, but during my time, only the clinical skills class and labs were required. A little bit about me. -If you fail a semester at any of these schools what are the chances you can get into another one? Besides driving up the cost of medical education, this has also exacerbated physician shortages in rural parts of the country. This is a business to them so they highlight only the good to lure you in. So going to SGU or any of those other schools does not mean you are a Med School Reject or that youre stupid. I have no idea how theyll pass their medical boards unless the off shore program has figured a way around that too. Residency is worse, and getting out and practicing in an environment where you have little to no say in your workload, work environment, or even what you prescribe (formularies!) Remember this is your DREAM, never forget that. Do you want to deal with that or you want to deal with just medical school and not too many surprises at home? It is a job, making widgets while being monitored by an MBA counting beans. Only recently has an effort been made to redress the inadequate number of slots in US medical school, and whats being done is still not enough. Residency, University of Toronto, Graduate. crashes. Compared to other Caribbean schools, my school is eligible for US government loans and it offers many scholarships to its students. They see this as a business and will seek out every opportunity (legal or not) to make some money. But for me, they both could not convince me to stick it out in MED. You will get homesick. I figured out everything is suck during clinicals. The rumor was that the school was planning on setting up a for-profit quiz bank that would make money for the owner of the school. I am a third year of AUA student. School has very little support. More surprisingly is this school has partnerships with hospital in New Jersey and New York that offer to cover half or full tuition to students eligible for the scholarship. Odds are about even with the Florida lottery. In Switzerland, there are practically no positions open to those students who do not hold a Swiss passport. Im just being honest with you, not meant to be mean, just honest. If you are like me and know you wont have a chance in the states merely because of hiccups that youve had in your undergraduate school, the Caribbeans is really not a bad place. sticker every few months, and got a new one. OMG! Be one of those few students that stay at home with their head in the books while others go out. Dr. Stewart hi. If one falls below 80% attendance they are automatically failed in the course. There is housing for the majority of us, and even if students dont get housing, there are many buildings and houses right outside the school that we can rent. Is Saba University a good medical school? St James doesnt even qualify for federal loans. I visited 3 times during his first two years. SGU is not for people who want to become doctors but dont have the academic prowess to make that happen. Its worth a shot. -AUA, after the curriculum change does the school have better stats? Jan 2020 - Apr 20211 year 4 months. One thing I would tell you is not to judge newcomers so harshly in the moment and understand that everyone reaches their potential at different rates. Provisional CAAM-HP accreditation The world needs doctors, I have friends one that did and one that is doing missions abroad treating patients; its like they do everything a physician does and more than what a physician should do; literally running the hospital trying to save all the lives and being more than a physician but being a nurse, lab tech and more. My brother graduated from SGU in 2011. On top of that, there are not enough residency slots in almost every medical specialty and that is not presently being adequately addressed. Trust me and stay tuned. It was a terrible situation. I have been a malpractice lawyer for over 20 years and have sued plenty of bonehead US Medical School graduates. I am a class 12 student from India and it has been my dream to become a surgeon in the US. You know how good you are and how much you are going to give it or gave it. Forthcoming film will start the long overdue conversation about HOW we treat and train our healers: http://donoharmfilm.com/. What helps is knowing yourself, for me that was knowing that after surviving a brief Boarding school experience and then High School, I could survive anything, even being a doctor if I get there. My son was doing well but not now. The toughest part about them leaving after a few terms is that the debt has mounted and they have to start repaying their loans 6 months after they quit. It was more painful to watch kids struggle and always getting in trouble at school and out of school at such a young age after coming from a Boarding School were kids were just kids not smoking in the bathroom or arguing with their teachers. Quality of facilities was fine. Under the Volcano before you go. First off. Sounds like a monopoly. These students usually pay 2 to 3 times more in tuition, so schools will typically allow them to apply and a certain number will get accepted further limiting available seats. If we dont achieve 80% attendance, the school may or may not discount some percentage of your grade (1%-5%) but it is an exaggeration that a student automatically fails the semester for not achieving the 80% attendance. God bless you! corrupt physicans/practices that may hire you. there are also other factors that make a student decide on their school like the cost of tution. There are students in the US dropping out of medical school, same happens in the Caribbean. How would I get my transcripts? If the student doesnt comply, the administrations threatens the student with dismissal, so the student has to lose about two thousand dollars to each landlord from which they move. All of the debt I have incurred. The fee structure for the University is different for different departments and there is a fee for the admission process as well. Like do you feel you were placed in a hospital where there was a good amount of patho-physiological diversified cases. The loans are private and the rates are through the roof. It seems hard for an offshore med student who passes all of the same exams as a stateside student (they have to, its mandatory, and no there are no shortcuts) to be somehow vastly inferior to the point of them being incompetent compared to stateside students. They appeal one student but not the other. There was no time for me to take it again for this application season. I am from Nigeria and after high school, I moved to the United States for undergrad. My advisor told me to just quit, it isnt for everybody and it only gets harder. (thank gawd I didnt listen to her.) The school's . The curriculum? It should be a LAST resort. They should be clear about their attrition rate. Hasnt worked anywhere. That is the speculation, but no one will really tell you what will be going on or at least want to tell you. I graduated last fall from undergrad with honors and distinction completing a double major. SGU employs professors who have taught at some very good universities. This Caribbean medical school has provided my son both the hope and the knowledge to succeed. Susan Atchly was a very good friend of mine! Its one thing to recruit people that have high skills, Bryan Hodge, the director of the Hendersonville program, told me. I luckily met you, Dr. Wible, and found out there were options for these feelings and that I was not alone in this process, med school can be hard. Before exam night cram so many questions into my brain and in hope will get enough correct to pass. Its using patient money for research and education without the consent of the consumer. I will continue my research until something is done about this, In the U.S. school with repeat 40% failing rate would be shut down. Even Einstein wasnt Einstein over night, it took time. Its true though, it depends how I put it, but that was some culture shock there and painful reality. 6) Emotional distress/burnout/sickness This is the area that caught me off guard. To succeed youre going to have to go online and learn from other med students about how they study, what resources they use, what is high yield and so on. Is there anyway you can put me in touch with David for tips. Mind you, your choice of residency is skewed a bit coming down here, but again there are ways to work your way through internal medicine and find a fellowship of your choice, it is just a tougher and longer road. To finalize my comment, no, it is not the end of the world to attend a Caribbean school and I dont believe its fair to stereotype Caribbean schools. Each year, more than 100 students are accepted into its MD program as well as over 100 students that participate in its elective programs. Am I breezing through school of course not. As a provider you have no opportunities to change a system that has been designed by non-medical bureaucrats. event in San Jose, while researching alternatives to medical school. Im all alone, and I have been thinking about changing careers. Whats the math on that??? But behind such ridiculous numbers lies some logical reasoning. You must be honest with yourself. Theres a year of Internado and one of Social Service. Any medical school, or anything related to the high demands of medicine, dont get started in unless you think about healthy ways to handle stress; and unless you think of what else is more important; like your life. Sadly some of my friends are figuring this out the hard way, many of which have fallen into alcohol or drug abuse etcsimply to deal with the stress and everything that they have to put up with at this school. But if you work as hard as you can and make it through the process. Pill mills abound, Ive even English: at least one uear of college-level English literature or composition. My son has dyslexia so could not succeed in his first choicemedicine. Is it worth it? Yet many of these new graduates dont have the skills to take care of their patients. There are pros and cons about attending Caribbean medical schools. Financially, I did not have resources to finish in 4 years. is worse still. I applied to Ross, AUC, AUA and Saba. Those 2 years were very hard because they involved feeling homesick and dealing with constant studying for exams and difficult coursework. Not just reading itbut learning it well enough so if anyone asked you a question about any concept within the book, you could easily answer? I graduated from AUC back in 1998 and my experience was very different from the one described above. In Nigeria, its sad to say that almost every single medical school is like that. Just lost my license because of slightly poor eye sight. and etc. Hey what are the cons that youve heard about ross. Hence;I do still think Caribbeans are 2nd best option,but one has to do his/her homework carefully when choosing a school. Please PLEASE do not come to AUA. Whats not so good is all the student loan debt especially if you drop out. DID get it back but it was a Huge hassle. The school initially allowed it and let them move on throughout Med 1 med 4. I remember studying homeless in the park for the MCAT with a head flashlight on. No words. Saba students earn top residencies at medical centers across the US and Canada. I would appreciate any advice people have as to pros/cons of each school: Ross v. Saba v. AUC v. AUA. Heres how I kept my soul. the problem is it can be hard to know the full truth if one didnt do proper research on their school or never met an alumni. Transforming a "bio-inspired" concept to design retinal . us there until the middle of July(!) couldnt take the Primero anyhow. After starting rotations, half of the hospitals they were rotating with when I signed for an apartment said the school nulled their contract and we could no longer rotate with them (Norwegian Hospital, St. Marys and several others). We WERE able to sign petitions, and they backed down Patients have no respect for physicians as a concequence. The problem is, these people go in feeling overconfident because they passed the training wheels course. You know physicians and medical students bash NPs and PAs all the time. Would I do it again? days there! They did not have resources for us; I did not have access to UpToDate, tutors or study guides as students are now offered. I dont mean every student. Admissions Rolling admissions. also try to get you to round in multiple hospitals, making it impossible for Admissions Rolling admissions. Why? In the hardest of lessons are the seeds that will be the foundations for the rest of your lives. Students are used to having brilliant or at least decent professors. However, the requirements to get into these schools are much higher because they know that the students they are admitting will do the extra work and go above and beyond to be successful. That school is a very wicked and evil place: admit as many as you can with the intention of failing hundreds to balance the books. Im jealous. I really appreciate your insights and candidness. Hello, please does any know about SABA university and if it is a good school because am thinking of applying there. I attribute the negative reviews the fact that a good chunk of SGU students come in already expecting that anything that goes wrong is because the school is somehow inherently worse for being a Caribbean school. They make it impossible to do any- The sad thing is that I look around to my colleagues. But the biggest take home message I received from this was that this is how were training our physicians in a time where we need heath care practitioners of all types more than ever. Overall, I dont think there is a perfect medical school in the world with 100% student satisfaction. Yes, it was hard to adjust to island life (especially the hurricanes!) It is a very rough school, with a terrible attrition rate. My heart goes out to you all. The program I am in now is incredibly IMG friendly and they dont look at test scores as closely as you think. Sorry for the delayed reply I need to be honest and say that Ive had a really hard time at SJSM. I dont know the current overall attrition rate at Saba because it varies a lot per semester and it is getting progressively worse in recent years due to changes in management and administration. There are many reasons US students end up pursuing a field in medicine at a Caribbean school and quite a few do make it through to become highly qualified practicing physicians. Low attrition rates, and good performance on Step and in Rotations is why SGU has the ability to match so much better than any other Caribbean school. Yes, you read it right, semester 1. If you rock the boat in US residency even if you are 100% right they threaten you and squeeze you and can make life miserable. I am very happy to be here in the Caribbean. Ive been a patient for a good part of my life and there are plenty of US med school grads who still dont have a clue how to treat patients or practice good medicine. I actually met one student who got a full tuition scholarship through this program. (some after repeating terms) (all carry huge amounts of burdensome debt, often financed through the US Federal Loan program), b. Anyhow, I didnt mean for this to be long. Lmao what in gods name makes you think anyone cares to cater their writing style so your eminence will be able to read it! This is the school I go to and will likely graduate with a degree from. I started with sgu in 1998. surrogate Interns, and otherwise treated poorly. Some left because they couldnt handle the living conditions and others because they got frustrated by the way the school does business and transferred to another medical school. Had I not took care of my Taxes, Citizenship standing, I would have been required to pay 10,000USD donation for being an international student and a different tuition rate. Or is it just MDs? 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